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[SpartanPhalanx]

janis wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: Janis.


Look, if you want to believe the sky is pink, you can, nobody's going to stop you if that's what you really want to believe.

Same applies to Vietnam. You lost the war. Whether it was through lack of political will is irrelevant. The fact remains, the U.S was defeated.

The U.S started pulling troops out of Vietnam in 1973 and ended with the less than dignified exit from the U.S embassy in Saigon in 1975.

Those are not actions victors undertake.

The US was not defeated. We left. There is a difference.. You can be sure America isn't going to allow the "anti-war" commie sympathizers influence our foreign policy again... as you saw with the re-election of GWB..


If you were winning then, why did you leave?....basic logic here Janis....as Aximander said, you're gone and the Vietnamese are still there. You can't start a war then leave and say you didn't lose...just not logical at all.

Yes, you'll lose the Iraq war as well....in fact you're losing as we speak..... :?

[Achilles The Myrmidon]

The Americans losing the war in Iraq?Are u blind or something?
PS ΘΕΛΩ ΤΗΝ ΦΩΤΟΓΡΑΦΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΑΧΙΛΛΕΑ

[SpartanPhalanx]

then boreis na vreis kamia allei?

Giati kanete toso fassaria?


Well, all you have to do is turn on a U.S TV channel to boot and you'll find out what a quagmire the U.S is in....

Forget the BBC or any other news source.......

[Achilles The Myrmidon]

1.Αυτη η φωτογραφια ειναι του Αχιλλεα.Εσυ εχεις το ονομα Σπαρτιατης.Αν θελεις ενα σπαρτιτη απο τον τρωικο πολεμο βαλε τον κερατα τον Μενελαο.
2.Αφου ρε μαλακα εισαι Ελληνας γιατι δεν ερχεσαι στα εθρωπαικα και στα ιστορικα να με βοηθησεις λιγο?Τι σε ενδιαφερει εσενα απο τουσ μουσουλμανους?Στην Κυπρο αυτοι οι σκυλοι δινουν λεφτα στουσ τουρκοθσ για να κανουνε τισ εκκλησιες μας τζαμια.
3Πως σε λενε πατριωτη και απο που εισαι?

[thundertaker]

Dude, if you two want to have a private conversation in Greek, why don't you PM each other? Doing this on an English-language forum is just bad manners.......

[Achilles The Myrmidon]

Yes u are right Thundertaker.But i just found he is Greek.I will not repead it again.

[Achilles The Myrmidon]

I ques there were all Greeks to u. :lol:

[thundertaker]

achilles the murmidone wrote: Yes u are right Thundertaker.But i just found he is Greek.I will not repead it again.

Didn't the name 'SpartanPhallanx' give you a clue? :P

[Achilles The Myrmidon]

There are a lot of not Greeks that used Greeks names.3000 plus years of history u know.

[SpartanPhalanx]

Ovoma einai ovoma .... tipota allo.....

Then eitha ten teneia toy "Troy".....afou se enthiaferei toso polh.....par' thn fotogragia....ante bravo...

Oi Israilini einai vroma Fasistes....pou skotonoun paithia sto thromo....afou ksereis to pono to prosfigov giati then ipostirizis tou Palesthnous pou zoun san skulia....

Kai sto Irak....then exete pi tipota enanti tous Amerikanous malakes pou skotonoun kathe mera..

[SpartanPhalanx]

Sorry folks....conversation over.

[Janis]

Getting back to the thread. I say disolve the UN. It is a useless organization. All the real freedom loving countries of the world, could get together and organize a new and serious alliance who's objective would be liberating the people of the world living under the dictators of rogue nations. With every new country liberated a new member is born.. All of them should have a say in how to proceed to liberate the next one...

Imagine! If we could free all the people of the world?

BTW, we left Vietnam because the military was being influenced by a bunch of Communist Sympathizers, like John Kerry, who lied about who our soldiers were and what our soldiers did over there. We should have really let loose and finished the war. Pressure from the anti-democracy crowd, influenced our decision.. As the website says, we WERE winning. Congress decided to deny military and financial support to the S Vietnamese. All because of the lies of people like John Kerry..

Enough about Vietnam... Read the Website..

[Nico]

janis wrote: Getting back to the thread. I say disolve the UN. It is a useless organization. All the real freedom loving countries of the world, could get together and organize a new and serious alliance who's objective would be liberating the people of the world living under the dictators of rogue nations. With every new country liberated a new member is born.. All of them should have a say in how to proceed to liberate the next one...

Imagine! If we could free all the people of the world?



We're free already[excepting north korea], but thanks. Actually, yeah, why don't you go to N Korea. I mean, if ever there was a candidate for freedom etc... Why haven't you gone to N Korea , now that I think about it?

[Nico]

And when you get driven from a country, it's called LOSING.

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote: And when you get driven from a country, it's called LOSING.

:roll: We weren't "driven" out, we opted out.. We choose to leave.

Anaximander wrote:
Quote: We're free already[excepting north korea], but thanks. Actually, yeah, why don't you go to N Korea. I mean, if ever there was a candidate for freedom etc... Why haven't you gone to N Korea , now that I think about it?

WE are free already? I don't think the Syrians or Iranians feel free..
We should go to N Korea. If we had all the freedom loving nations of the world on the same page, it would happen a lot faster... If all the freedom loving nations of the world stuck together we wouldn't be having such a hard time right now..

We are winning in Iraq. Slowly, but we are.. You of course choose not to see all the progress because you choose not to look for anything but the horrors in Iraq...

http://opgratitude.com/website/html/modules/news/index.php?PHPSESSID=4a79314817d583ddbae2612511478972&storytopic=7&storynum=10



Messages from Iraq :

*****
Dearest People,
Happy Thanksgiving Day!!
I`m sorry for being late to send you my warmest regards & tell you that from April 9th 2003,everyday is a Thanks giving day to us & You are the first in our lists.
Thanks amillion.
Bana.

*****
To all heros in Iraq,
Be strong as always you are,I pray God to send an angel to everone of you to
guide you through the night,comfort all your sorrows,& help you win the
fight.
May they guard you while you're sleeping & see you through your days.
And always remember WE ARE always,always with you..
Peace ,

*****
thank you will never be enough for all the angelical job you all are
making.we want you to make sure whatever happened you are not forgotten & we support you 100%.
May God send an angel to every one of you to save you.."

My dearest staff of Freedom radio on AFN Baghdad, Iraq.
I thank you as much as stars in the universe and as much as drops in the ocean....... so keep going and we will always be listening!

*****
Just a little note to assure you that all our hearts pray for each one of
you to stay safe & win this battle. May our Heavenly father watch over you & all innocent people in the wide world. your friend. Bana

To the most brave forces, both Iraqi and American, in Najaf and other cities. All of you are in our prayers ,keep going & all of us are with you. Bana's friend

Please know that we are praying for you, that your faith will not fail.
We are very sure both of you iraqi police & american soldier will win the fight. Bana's friend

*****
There is one place for you ..... of course it`s my heart ! Bana's Sister

*****
Dear friends:
whenever I look at heaven & see your deeds that stud this heaven, I make sure that together, step by step we`ll complete that hard road.

*****
I have nothing to say but THANK you and bless you.

*****
Thanks for give things that money can`t buy
Bless you all,
Nina.

*****
We dedicate these words to every and each man &
woman who serves in Iraq; hoping that they`ll know the many,many thoughts behind it...so, hear it straight from the heart& mind:
"I was lost & alone trying to grow ...making my way down that winding road , had no reason no rhyme,like the song out of time..
and there you were standing in front of my eyes...
so how could I be such a fool to hurt you or let you go & back to all the rules!!??
coz you`re the one who fill that hole, now I`m sure that your help is all that I need..
you become the air that I breath ,the words that I read when you give me what is more precious than diamonds or pearls..
It`s just like a flower needs rain, I`ll stand by your side through the joy & the pain"..
we`ll ask you ..please, don`t let the shadow of loneliness come back &
loiters in our way..
All blessings with you..
Take care,keep in touch.
*Remember our thanks for you. Your American Supporters.
Bana & Ali.

*****
Hi,
Hope every one is alright;I want to say"Thank you so much for that favor".
May God bless you.

*****
I want to say thank you in all languge I know
Thank you=Shuk-ren(arabic)=Gracies(spanish)=Merci(french)=Emolto cratsia(italy)=Domo Aricato
(japanes).......
GOOD LUCK

*****
A BIG THANK YOU from me and from all members of my family to each one of you.
God bless the coalition and the Iraqi new govt.(Allawi)

*****
dear people of america :
thanks a million from the buttom of our hearts for what your men did & they`ll do in the future..
we`re proud & greateful now & forever. We promise to keep them in our prayers always for their great sacrifice. We also hope each and every one of them return home safe & sound ..
God bless those people & their families who send us the most cute, polite,& true heros in the world..

*****
We thank you more than words can say
All the best,to the best.
Bye...

*****
I wish this would help to change that stereotype about us as ungrateful people. What the news channels try to show--they only concentrate on the small precentage of the society.
To American soldiers: "from the bottom of our hearts,thank you for lightening up that dark"
bless you.

*****
I live in Baghdad;study English language at Baghdad University...Well,it`s a great honor to me to set up with friends a group to support the coalition forces and help to rebuild Iraq. By this way, we help our people,we believe the coalition helped us to get our natural right--freedom but our duty is fight to
keep it. It`s called"American Supporter Group". Of course we`re grateful for all soldiers who help to free Iraq: British, Australian, Japanes...etc but because the US leads them we choose"American".
We do many things but our ultimate goal is recruit people to our side and wake them up from Saddam`s brain wash. We start with children(the future generation)+set up epals between Iraqi students and American students in an attempt to change their minds and broaden their horizons. We have a small newspaper,support banner.

*****
YES we have been threatend many times via AlZarkawi and Saddam`s followers;yes we have alot of friends in the military who offer to help us...what we are trying to do now is find people who are also supportive ;to set up a radio station and website

*****
I`m "B" an Iraqi student at Baghdad university; me and alot of
my colleagues want you to know that we are so grateful for American military. they`re greatly appreciated.
I wish I could say better than that but words are nothing compared with what we see everyday over here.
Thanks a million for sending us those angels who picked us up from that hell & help us to reach heaven. Bless you all !

[Nico]

janis wrote:

:roll: We weren't "driven" out, we opted out.. We choose to leave.


WE are free already? I don't think the Syrians or Iranians feel free..


That's funny, I could swear that aside from the airport delays, there is no problem going to Iran or Syria and talking to people. They're jumpy, sure, but mainly because there is a hostile army right next door [or two if you want to get technical]. People even go on holiday to other countries to visit relatives or go shopping. It's wierd, the world you describe must be in a parallel universe to mine. Actually, my Iranian friend Mushkin is going back home in three weeks, I better remind her that she was never here and is actually a prisoner in her basement.

As for vietnam............it's OK, you can't win 'em all. Acceptance is the key to moving on.

[Nico]

Now about N Korea.

[thundertaker]

I think we can safely say North Korea was a draw. The North Koreans tried to take over the South, they were driven back, then UN forces(!) under Macarthur tried to liberate North Korea, but were forced out in turn by the intervention of the Chinese People's Liberation Army.........

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote: janis wrote:

:roll: We weren't "driven" out, we opted out.. We choose to leave.


WE are free already? I don't think the Syrians or Iranians feel free..


That's funny, I could swear that aside from the airport delays, there is no problem going to Iran or Syria and talking to people. They're jumpy, sure, but mainly because there is a hostile army right next door [or two if you want to get technical]. People even go on holiday to other countries to visit relatives or go shopping. It's wierd, the world you describe must be in a parallel universe to mine. Actually, my Iranian friend Mushkin is going back home in three weeks, I better remind her that she was never here and is actually a prisoner in her basement.

As for vietnam............it's OK, you can't win 'em all. Acceptance is the key to moving on.

I'm sure your friend is a good little "hardliner".. If you don't know what is going on in Iran, your friend is not being honest with you....

Yeah, it's all rosy in Iran!!! From: http://www.activistchat.com/

EUROPE IS APPEASING THE MULLAHS!

120 PUBLIC HANGINGS SINCE MARCH!

Mullahs to Execute Three More Children!

Security Forces Arrest Prisoners' Families and Activist in Tehran Rally!

Boy 'Flogged to Death' by Para-Military Police


Killing of youth in public

INTV, Nov. 27 - A 20-year old youth was killed in Salmas after being beaten with batons, punched and kicked by agents of the theocratic regime.

Payam Erfani Nejad was accused of speaking to a girl in the streets when violently attacked by the Iranian regime's agents. According to eye-witnesses, the government agents beat Payam to death and abandoned him on the street. He was beaten so much that his face was torn and his eyes and face were so bruised that he could not be identified.

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: Human Rights in Iran – November 2004

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Human Rights in Iran – November 2004

Death sentences and Executions

2 young men to be executed

Etemad daily, Nov. 1 – The Supreme Court upheld the death decree for a 24-year-old man by the name of Moussa. This young man will soon be taken to the gallows.

Iran daily, Nov. 1 – A young worker has been sentenced to execution by a court judge.

3 death sentences

Khorassan daily, Nov. 7 – Tayebeh, a 28-year-old woman, was sentenced to death. The Supreme Court upheld the death sentences for two men named Alireza, 29, in Karaj, and Behrouz in Qazvin.

Death sentence in Tehran

16-year-old boy to be executed

AFP, Nov. 16, Tehran - Iran's hard-line judiciary has sentenced a 16-year-old boy to death. The boy was only identified as Vahid.

Political prisoner to be executed

INTV, Nov. 21 - An Iranian political prisoner was sentenced to death. The state-run Iran daily reported that Hojat Z. was sentenced to death for allegedly bombing the regime's Engelab building in 1998.

The man sentenced to death is the brother of one of the slain Mojahedin members Khaz-al Zamani, from the city of Ilam.

Political observers say issuing the death sentence for a case from six and a half years ago is only a reaction to the great blow the regime has received from the resistance's revelation of its clandestine atomic sites in recent days.

Boy, 19, sentenced to death

Iran daily, Nov. 21 - The Iranian officials in Tehran issued the death sentence for a 19-year old boy by the name of Majid.

Three execution sentences

Aftab Daily, Nov. 22 - Death sentences have been issued for two men by the names of Mohsen and Davoud who are accused of clashing with security forces. During this clash that took place 45 days ago, the forces fired at these two young men, killing one passer-by and injuring another. The Supreme Court also issued 5 death sentences in public for a man in Tehran. He is to be hanged mid-December in Tehran's Qaytarieh district.


Execution in Public

INTV, Nov. 25 - An individual accused of murder was executed on Tuesday November 23 in the city of Isfahan. His sentence was carried out at 6 am in Touqhchi square (Qods).

Women sentenced to stoning

Iran Focus, Nov. 30, Tehran - The Supreme Court of Iran has upheld a stoning sentence for a woman by the name of Hajieh Esmailvand accused of adultery. She has been serving prison time in the town of Jolfa (northwestern Iran) since Jan. 2000 for having an affair with a 17-year-old boy. Originally she had been sentenced to 5 years imprisonment and ‘death by hanging’; however the Supreme Court subsequently changed the verdict from ‘death by hanging’ to ‘death by stoning’.

The boy whom Hajieh had the affair with is also on death row awaiting official orders to be hanged in public. His identity has not been made clear.

The Supreme Court has also upheld the death sentence for a 24-year-old woman called Najmeh Vosoogh Razavi who was studying law in university. Najmeh is to be hanged in public next week.


Arrests, Tortures and inhumane punishments

Boy dies after receiving 85 lashes

Iran Press News, Nov. 16 - A 14 year old boy died on Thursday, November 11th, after having received 85 lashes in the town of Sanandadj. He was guilty of breaking his fast during the month of Ramadan…

Due to the public's realization of the events surrounding the boy's circumstances the cemetery was stormed [in protest] and his burial did not take place. According to informed sources, supervisors have instructed that the burial take place in the presence of his closest relatives, surveyed by security forces.

Freedom of expression

Civil society activists, human rights defenders under attack

Amnesty International – Statement, Nov. 10 - Efforts by Iran's judiciary to curtail freedom of _expression and association are now increasingly encroaching on human rights defenders and civil society activists. Reports of around 25 internet journalists and civil society activists arbitrarily arrested in recent weeks mark an alarming rise in human rights violations in Iran.

"The judiciary has placed Iran's growing civil society under attack. The targeted arbitrary arrests and detention in secret places along with reports of ill treatment of activists like Omid Memariyan, Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh and journalist Hanif Mazrou'i clearly expose the judiciary's intention to clamp down on Iran's burgeoning civil society", Amnesty International said today.

Crack down on Webloggers

Eurasia Net Civil Society, Nov. 18 - Iran’s neo-conservatives are restricting access to the Internet, according to international human rights groups. The crackdown is designed to aid a broader Iranian neo-con effort to stifle their reformist opponents.

About half a dozen prominent, reform-oriented activists who use the Internet and Web logs, or blogs, to spread their messages have been detained over the last two months. New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) characterized the wave of arrests in a November 9 statement as an attempt to close "last remaining outlet for freedom of expression in the country."

Young man humiliated in northern Iran

Iran National TV, Nov. 10 - Iranian officials in Babol took a young man around the avenues. In a bid to disgrace the young man and humiliate his dignity, agents shaved his hair like a cross, put a long stick through his sleeves, and took him around the streets. Eyewitnesses said people who were there and saw the scene openly cursed the agents there.

Growing rate of suicide

Radio France Internationale, Nov. 21 – Hamed Haddadi, the top player on Iran’s national basketball team, slashed his artery.

ISNA, Nov. 21 – Two-hundred eighty-three (283) Tehran school students have attempted suicide during the past year.


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[SpartanPhalanx]

Janis,

You LOST Vietnam....end of story.


Yes, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship Janis, we all know that, but i find it intersting that you choose to point out their human rights record in regards to prisoner executions while YOUR country executes folks as well.
Your country also detains people indefinitely without charge and routinely tortures people as well. Both these charges are in contravention of UN human rights conventions Janis, and since you're an American, and a champion of "freeing oppressed people all over the world" why don't you start right at home where you can be most effective.