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[Golddave]

Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

[Kindred]

That is the most bogon thread title I've ever read, congrats.

[eynon]

I wish I spoke aussie....

[Golddave]

A.D wrote: That is the most bogon thread title I've ever read, congrats.

Cheers, I aim to please.

[Dr Strangelove]

A.D wrote: That is the most bogon thread title I've ever read, congrats.

I see you were the first one to respond to this thread. Was it a mating call perhaps?

Check out the link below and take the test to see whether you are a bogan.

http://www.effect.net.au/lukastan/humour/Aussie/Save-The-Bogan.htm

[s_ianson]

Depending on the results of the senate vote the Liberal Party should be able to draft any law that they want. Don't worry about the Family First Party people, they'll tow the Liberal line. Let's just hope we can repeat this in 2007.

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

We have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries. We should have a major overhaul review on our foreign aid policy, I am not against foreign aid but I think a lot of countries are getting it that do not deserve it. Like I said, we have problems here that need attention, the health care system, the eductation system, drug use amongst youth etc. I don't sprout off at the mouth mate, you verbally launched into me, I stand up for myself, I do not think that that is a crime, it is a quality I admire and I admire you for taking the time to respond to this post even if I don't agree with all your ideas. After all, isn't that the beauty of living in a democratic society? I always thought so. I am not a wannabe? Tell me what you think I wannabe? In 1999, when Australia sent troops over to Interfet who also took body bags over with them, no one knew what the outcome was going to be. The thing that saved us was Gen Cosgrove and his diplomatic skills. We need to spend more money on defence, there are too many threats to the north. We are freaks, we are a caucasian, english speaking society in the middle of a predominately asian, volitile region. We have the largest muslim nation in the world to our north, we have 2 countries with a population in excess of a billion people and no offence to our allies NZ but their downgrading of the NZDF is about as useful to us as a **** flavoured lolly pop, I don't know maybe you'd enjoy one of those. If I was minister of defence, I would bring the airborne battalion, 3 RAR up from Sydney to Townsville (which is happening anyway under a liberal government) increasing the number of infantry battalions in Townsville from 2 to 3, I would also raise the support and supply units needed to have 3 Battalion groups ready to go. I would de link 5 and 7 RAR in Darwin, increasing the Inf Bn's in Darwin from 1 to 2. I would also raise another infantry Battalion in Sydney (maybe another commando battalion) to replace 3 RAR. I would base the Abrahams that we aqquired off USA in Darwin but I would keep a few at Puckapungal for training our troops. I would also aqquire a regiment of smaller, more agile, good milage to fuel ratio tanks for recon, search and destroy and anti personal missions. I would get a good replacement for the F111's with a strike capibility to anywhere in SE Asia and I would upgrade the FA18's. On the navel front, I would divide the indian and pacific oceans into the Western and Eastern fleets based on a carrier group with each of the two fleets having an aircraft carrier, frigates, destroyers, helicopter capibilities and fix up those damn submarines. So we definately need more money for that. Other wise maybe if you start practicing now, you can get a job as a linguist when we get invaded. I don't believe in giving foreign aid to a tyrant, a dictator like Saddam, I doubt the money would have gone to his people anyway, he had 80 palaces in Baghdad alone that were so extravagant it made me angry. He would hire workers from Jordan to build them and hide them behind huge walls because he was worried if the hungry, poor Iraqis saw them, they would revolt. What the hell do you expect the soldiers to do? Why they are getting shot at and killed by these fundalmentalists, former regime loyalists and insurgents, they need all the guns, ammo and support they can get their hands on. I don't think you can grasp the concept of a gurellia war, it is not what it is like on television, it is F**K** scary. Nothing hits home like an 8 year old with a gun. I am glad that you agree something had to happen in Iraq because it did. What was the alternative though? They tried talking, they tried Sanctions, none of which worked and just punished the Iraqi people more. I appreciate your right not to participate but I do think it is right for you to criticise the man on the ground. Yes, I signed up to do my duty, I followed orders and gave them according to commanders intent. Do you expect me to throw my rifle on the ground and say, "Go f**k yourself?" That is discention, disobeying a lawful command and about 6 other broken military laws, I would be going to jail for a long, long time. f**k that. There would be certain things I would refuse to do however I know that I would not be asked to do them. The Americans are trying to get more europeans into the Coalition in Iraq but the majority of the pu**y EU are tucking tail. Look at France, those ***** have a lot to answer for, most of the ordnance and a lot of the wpns I saw over there were French. You watch when this is all cleared up, contractors from France, Germany etc will try to make trade deals with Iraq, Bow Wow, not going to happen, USA, Britian, Poland, Australia etc will all benefit from helping out Iraq because Iraqis will not forget. As a citizen, yes you do have a right to question the military but you are bloody lucky, you could be an American Citizen. A lot of them love the second ammendment because it gives them the right to bear arms "against the tyranny of the state". US marines have fired on US citizens, some unarmed before. I doubt this will ever happen in Australian history because I believe the vast majority of Aussie soldiers would refuse to. Maybe you should be asking the hieracry and the goverment questions instead of the man on the ground trying to achieve the objective. I am so proud of John Howard saying, "Blame me but not the troops that are being sent there" when Iraq flared up. I respect him for that. Its not nice having people put horse s**t on the road where your trying to march, people throw fruit at you or call you rude names in front of your mother and father and then you get in the s**t for reacting which is why you don't. Your comparision with Nazi Germany and Iraq is ridiculous, I am not even going to comment on that.

[Dr Strangelove]

Krinkle wrote:

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting??

Why couldn’t East Timor have become another Vietnam? Falintil had been fighting a Guerilla war against the Indonesians since 1975. All Errico Guterres and his mates had to do was wage a guerilla war from West Timor.

When the first INTERFET troops landed at Commorro Airport there were 20,000 Indon troops stationed in East Timor. The Aust Govt had a guarantee that the landing would be unopposed but the Indon Govt was not sure whether the local troops on the ground would listen. Luckily they did.

Also in the hold of HMAS Jervis Bay, carrying the main INTERFET Force from Darwin to Dili, there were 600 body bags.

Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year.

Defence spending is about 1.8% of GDP or 16 billion dollars for the FY 04/05. Defence is also the biggest employer in Australia and they hold most of Australia’s assets worth around 50 billion dollars.

Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us?

Wasn’t that what the Food for Oil program was for?

The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions?

Fair enough. That would also give them the right to question your actions, as they are citizens of this nation as well.

I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people.

Don’t you think the above statement is patronising? I think Australian Service personnel prefer to think that they are working with the Australian public, not as slaves but as equals. And remember Service personnel pay taxes too.

If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

So what do you think the Australian military are doing in Iraq? I will give you a hint; they are no-where near Fallujah.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

[Golddave]

Dr Strangelove wrote: Krinkle wrote:

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting??

Why couldn’t East Timor have become another Vietnam? Falintil had been fighting a Guerilla war against the Indonesians since 1975. All Errico Guterres and his mates had to do was wage a guerilla war from West Timor.

When the first INTERFET troops landed at Commorro Airport there were 20,000 Indon troops stationed in East Timor. The Aust Govt had a guarantee that the landing would be unopposed but the Indon Govt was not sure whether the local troops on the ground would listen. Luckily they did.

Also in the hold of HMAS Jervis Bay, carrying the main INTERFET Force from Darwin to Dili, there were 600 body bags.

Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year.

Defence spending is about 1.8% of GDP or 16 billion dollars for the FY 04/05. Defence is also the biggest employer in Australia and they hold most of Australia’s assets worth around 50 billion dollars.

Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us?

Wasn’t that what the Food for Oil program was for?

The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions?

Fair enough. That would also give them the right to question your actions, as they are citizens of this nation as well.

I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people.

Don’t you think the above statement is patronising? I think Australian Service personnel prefer to think that they are working with the Australian public, not as slaves but as equals. And remember Service personnel pay taxes too.

If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

So what do you think the Australian military are doing in Iraq? I will give you a hint; they are no-where near Fallujah.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....
That post was awesome doc, you certainly have an excellent way of words. I especially agree with the last statement. I didn't go on Interfet but a lot of my mates did, I don't think people realise how drastically out of control the problem could have got in such a short time.

[LetsGetReal]

I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

[Golddave]

LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

[Kindred]

Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

Dude, why is it that I am Australian, yet I can't understand a f***ing thing you say? 'ya mate boza in the ol' goona, hahaha, chuck the sheala in the ute beut fella ol' chuckin blow, mate?'

[Golddave]

A.D wrote: Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

Dude, why is it that I am Australian, yet I can't understand a f***ing thing you say? 'ya mate boza in the ol' goona, hahaha, chuck the sheala in the ute beut fella ol' chuckin blow, mate?'

Maybe you should have tried harder at school. How the f**k do I know?

[maxtsu]

A.D wrote: Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

Dude, why is it that I am Australian, yet I can't understand a f***ing thing you say? 'ya mate boza in the ol' goona, hahaha, chuck the sheala in the ute beut fella ol' chuckin blow, mate?'
LOL
it's the truth
I have lived and work in all states except Tassy, not putting them down mind you.
And the nearest I have ever heard someone speak like that is in Comedy Clubs in London.

[Golddave]

maxtsu wrote: A.D wrote: Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

Dude, why is it that I am Australian, yet I can't understand a f***ing thing you say? 'ya mate boza in the ol' goona, hahaha, chuck the sheala in the ute beut fella ol' chuckin blow, mate?'
LOL
it's the truth
I have lived and work in all states except Tassy, not putting them down mind you.
And the nearest I have ever heard someone speak like that is in Comedy Clubs in London.

I am not a pom mate, I am an Australian. You can't even write english properly let alone spell it, your probably one of those four frenchies I kicked the s**t out of at Hervey Bay.

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

We have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries. We should have a major overhaul review on our foreign aid policy, I am not against foreign aid but I think a lot of countries are getting it that do not deserve it. Like I said, we have problems here that need attention, the health care system, the eductation system, drug use amongst youth etc. I don't sprout off at the mouth mate, you verbally launched into me, I stand up for myself, I do not think that that is a crime, it is a quality I admire and I admire you for taking the time to respond to this post even if I don't agree with all your ideas. After all, isn't that the beauty of living in a democratic society? I always thought so. I am not a wannabe? Tell me what you think I wannabe? In 1999, when Australia sent troops over to Interfet who also took body bags over with them, no one knew what the outcome was going to be. The thing that saved us was Gen Cosgrove and his diplomatic skills. We need to spend more money on defence, there are too many threats to the north. We are freaks, we are a caucasian, english speaking society in the middle of a predominately asian, volitile region. We have the largest muslim nation in the world to our north, we have 2 countries with a population in excess of a billion people and no offence to our allies NZ but their downgrading of the NZDF is about as useful to us as a **** flavoured lolly pop, I don't know maybe you'd enjoy one of those. If I was minister of defence, I would bring the airborne battalion, 3 RAR up from Sydney to Townsville (which is happening anyway under a liberal government) increasing the number of infantry battalions in Townsville from 2 to 3, I would also raise the support and supply units needed to have 3 Battalion groups ready to go. I would de link 5 and 7 RAR in Darwin, increasing the Inf Bn's in Darwin from 1 to 2. I would also raise another infantry Battalion in Sydney (maybe another commando battalion) to replace 3 RAR. I would base the Abrahams that we aqquired off USA in Darwin but I would keep a few at Puckapungal for training our troops. I would also aqquire a regiment of smaller, more agile, good milage to fuel ratio tanks for recon, search and destroy and anti personal missions. I would get a good replacement for the F111's with a strike capibility to anywhere in SE Asia and I would upgrade the FA18's. On the navel front, I would divide the indian and pacific oceans into the Western and Eastern fleets based on a carrier group with each of the two fleets having an aircraft carrier, frigates, destroyers, helicopter capibilities and fix up those damn submarines. So we definately need more money for that. Other wise maybe if you start practicing now, you can get a job as a linguist when we get invaded. I don't believe in giving foreign aid to a tyrant, a dictator like Saddam, I doubt the money would have gone to his people anyway, he had 80 palaces in Baghdad alone that were so extravagant it made me angry. He would hire workers from Jordan to build them and hide them behind huge walls because he was worried if the hungry, poor Iraqis saw them, they would revolt. What the hell do you expect the soldiers to do? Why they are getting shot at and killed by these fundalmentalists, former regime loyalists and insurgents, they need all the guns, ammo and support they can get their hands on. I don't think you can grasp the concept of a gurellia war, it is not what it is like on television, it is F**K** scary. Nothing hits home like an 8 year old with a gun. I am glad that you agree something had to happen in Iraq because it did. What was the alternative though? They tried talking, they tried Sanctions, none of which worked and just punished the Iraqi people more. I appreciate your right not to participate but I do think it is right for you to criticise the man on the ground. Yes, I signed up to do my duty, I followed orders and gave them according to commanders intent. Do you expect me to throw my rifle on the ground and say, "Go f**k yourself?" That is discention, disobeying a lawful command and about 6 other broken military laws, I would be going to jail for a long, long time. f**k that. There would be certain things I would refuse to do however I know that I would not be asked to do them. The Americans are trying to get more europeans into the Coalition in Iraq but the majority of the pu**y EU are tucking tail. Look at France, those ***** have a lot to answer for, most of the ordnance and a lot of the wpns I saw over there were French. You watch when this is all cleared up, contractors from France, Germany etc will try to make trade deals with Iraq, Bow Wow, not going to happen, USA, Britian, Poland, Australia etc will all benefit from helping out Iraq because Iraqis will not forget. As a citizen, yes you do have a right to question the military but you are bloody lucky, you could be an American Citizen. A lot of them love the second ammendment because it gives them the right to bear arms "against the tyranny of the state". US marines have fired on US citizens, some unarmed before. I doubt this will ever happen in Australian history because I believe the vast majority of Aussie soldiers would refuse to. Maybe you should be asking the hieracry and the goverment questions instead of the man on the ground trying to achieve the objective. I am so proud of John Howard saying, "Blame me but not the troops that are being sent there" when Iraq flared up. I respect him for that. Its not nice having people put horse s**t on the road where your trying to march, people throw fruit at you or call you rude names in front of your mother and father and then you get in the s**t for reacting which is why you don't. Your comparision with Nazi Germany and Iraq is ridiculous, I am not even going to comment on that.

One minute we’re livin in Alice’s F**K** wonderland the next, “we have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries”…which is it going to be mate? Your sudden concern in social policy is a little out of character.

War is not an inevitable feature of global politics; its frequency can be reduced by eradicating international anarchy. Your war games gave me a laugh, I’m just a little unsure; exactly what invasion by which army are you planning for?

You continue to miss the whole point about Iraq, as do most that are supportive of it. You seem to be building a case for a war after the fact. The continual little anecdotes you bring up, whilst insightful, are in and of themselves no justification for war. You can’t just start bombing another country because you don’t like who’s running the show. Where’s all your posts about Zimbabwe, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, all of which have regimes in place, guilty of crimes against humanity of the same magnitude as the Baathist regime, if not worse.

The ONE and ONLY reason given for the invasion of Iraq, was to recover and presumably destroy significant stockpiles of WMD’s. Does it bother you that your government lied to you? I would imagine the near 10 000 Iraqi civilians killed to date would be pretty pissed off their lives was ended in the name of lies!

I didn’t compare Iraq to Nazi Germany, so stop speaking s**t. I don’t want you to “throw your gun to the ground”. Maybe the point is to not be in the position of holding the gun in the first place? You chose to be an AJ, if you don’t like it….go open a florist!

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LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

stay put thanks mate, we've got enough redneck over here.