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[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

You've been listening to Alf off home and away too much. Ave a listen to yourself ya F**K** mug :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

You've been listening to Alf off home and away too much. Ave a listen to yourself ya F**K** mug :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least Alf from home and away went to Vietnam, what the f**k did you do when the war was on? I suppose your F**K** commune down in Griffith needed your "agrigultral" expertise to support the fantastic idea of your left wing communist revolution once the Tet offensive kicked in.

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

stay put thanks mate, we've got enough redneck over here.

Pity about the eductation system though, redneck is plural so that is rednecks. That's ok, you most likely went to school when Labour was in power so I will forgive you. At least LetsGetReal would like to come here and earn a living, all you do is b**** and whinge and collect a dole check.

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

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jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

We have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries. We should have a major overhaul review on our foreign aid policy, I am not against foreign aid but I think a lot of countries are getting it that do not deserve it. Like I said, we have problems here that need attention, the health care system, the eductation system, drug use amongst youth etc. I don't sprout off at the mouth mate, you verbally launched into me, I stand up for myself, I do not think that that is a crime, it is a quality I admire and I admire you for taking the time to respond to this post even if I don't agree with all your ideas. After all, isn't that the beauty of living in a democratic society? I always thought so. I am not a wannabe? Tell me what you think I wannabe? In 1999, when Australia sent troops over to Interfet who also took body bags over with them, no one knew what the outcome was going to be. The thing that saved us was Gen Cosgrove and his diplomatic skills. We need to spend more money on defence, there are too many threats to the north. We are freaks, we are a caucasian, english speaking society in the middle of a predominately asian, volitile region. We have the largest muslim nation in the world to our north, we have 2 countries with a population in excess of a billion people and no offence to our allies NZ but their downgrading of the NZDF is about as useful to us as a **** flavoured lolly pop, I don't know maybe you'd enjoy one of those. If I was minister of defence, I would bring the airborne battalion, 3 RAR up from Sydney to Townsville (which is happening anyway under a liberal government) increasing the number of infantry battalions in Townsville from 2 to 3, I would also raise the support and supply units needed to have 3 Battalion groups ready to go. I would de link 5 and 7 RAR in Darwin, increasing the Inf Bn's in Darwin from 1 to 2. I would also raise another infantry Battalion in Sydney (maybe another commando battalion) to replace 3 RAR. I would base the Abrahams that we aqquired off USA in Darwin but I would keep a few at Puckapungal for training our troops. I would also aqquire a regiment of smaller, more agile, good milage to fuel ratio tanks for recon, search and destroy and anti personal missions. I would get a good replacement for the F111's with a strike capibility to anywhere in SE Asia and I would upgrade the FA18's. On the navel front, I would divide the indian and pacific oceans into the Western and Eastern fleets based on a carrier group with each of the two fleets having an aircraft carrier, frigates, destroyers, helicopter capibilities and fix up those damn submarines. So we definately need more money for that. Other wise maybe if you start practicing now, you can get a job as a linguist when we get invaded. I don't believe in giving foreign aid to a tyrant, a dictator like Saddam, I doubt the money would have gone to his people anyway, he had 80 palaces in Baghdad alone that were so extravagant it made me angry. He would hire workers from Jordan to build them and hide them behind huge walls because he was worried if the hungry, poor Iraqis saw them, they would revolt. What the hell do you expect the soldiers to do? Why they are getting shot at and killed by these fundalmentalists, former regime loyalists and insurgents, they need all the guns, ammo and support they can get their hands on. I don't think you can grasp the concept of a gurellia war, it is not what it is like on television, it is F**K** scary. Nothing hits home like an 8 year old with a gun. I am glad that you agree something had to happen in Iraq because it did. What was the alternative though? They tried talking, they tried Sanctions, none of which worked and just punished the Iraqi people more. I appreciate your right not to participate but I do think it is right for you to criticise the man on the ground. Yes, I signed up to do my duty, I followed orders and gave them according to commanders intent. Do you expect me to throw my rifle on the ground and say, "Go f**k yourself?" That is discention, disobeying a lawful command and about 6 other broken military laws, I would be going to jail for a long, long time. f**k that. There would be certain things I would refuse to do however I know that I would not be asked to do them. The Americans are trying to get more europeans into the Coalition in Iraq but the majority of the pu**y EU are tucking tail. Look at France, those ***** have a lot to answer for, most of the ordnance and a lot of the wpns I saw over there were French. You watch when this is all cleared up, contractors from France, Germany etc will try to make trade deals with Iraq, Bow Wow, not going to happen, USA, Britian, Poland, Australia etc will all benefit from helping out Iraq because Iraqis will not forget. As a citizen, yes you do have a right to question the military but you are bloody lucky, you could be an American Citizen. A lot of them love the second ammendment because it gives them the right to bear arms "against the tyranny of the state". US marines have fired on US citizens, some unarmed before. I doubt this will ever happen in Australian history because I believe the vast majority of Aussie soldiers would refuse to. Maybe you should be asking the hieracry and the goverment questions instead of the man on the ground trying to achieve the objective. I am so proud of John Howard saying, "Blame me but not the troops that are being sent there" when Iraq flared up. I respect him for that. Its not nice having people put horse s**t on the road where your trying to march, people throw fruit at you or call you rude names in front of your mother and father and then you get in the s**t for reacting which is why you don't. Your comparision with Nazi Germany and Iraq is ridiculous, I am not even going to comment on that.

One minute we’re livin in Alice’s F**K** wonderland the next, “we have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries”…which is it going to be mate? Your sudden concern in social policy is a little out of character.

War is not an inevitable feature of global politics; its frequency can be reduced by eradicating international anarchy. Your war games gave me a laugh, I’m just a little unsure; exactly what invasion by which army are you planning for?

You continue to miss the whole point about Iraq, as do most that are supportive of it. You seem to be building a case for a war after the fact. The continual little anecdotes you bring up, whilst insightful, are in and of themselves no justification for war. You can’t just start bombing another country because you don’t like who’s running the show. Where’s all your posts about Zimbabwe, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, all of which have regimes in place, guilty of crimes against humanity of the same magnitude as the Baathist regime, if not worse.

The ONE and ONLY reason given for the invasion of Iraq, was to recover and presumably destroy significant stockpiles of WMD’s. Does it bother you that your government lied to you? I would imagine the near 10 000 Iraqi civilians killed to date would be pretty pissed off their lives was ended in the name of lies!

I didn’t compare Iraq to Nazi Germany, so stop speaking s**t. I don’t want you to “throw your gun to the ground”. Maybe the point is to not be in the position of holding the gun in the first place? You chose to be an AJ, if you don’t like it….go open a florist!

Ok mate, maybe the air conditioner at Woodridge needs fixing because your all hot and bothered under the collar. Don't you have some home and away to watch, I wasn't surprised you are an avid viewer, it is about the right sort of programming for you IQ. I think we have a lot of things that need fixing here (Australia), I do however believe that we are the luckiest and greatest country on Earth. I am so sorry that I strive to make my country better for my fellow Australians, maybe it is time you took a one way ticket to Cuba where you ideals would probably be favoured by your uncle Castro. Maybe you should read some of my other posts before you gob off about "my sudden concern in social policy is out of character." Social policy yes, socialist policy, no! I think we need to build up patriotism in this country and make people proud to become Australian again. I believe their are people in our country out there who do not like us, our way of life or what we, and I am talking about the vast majority here, just look at the election results :P stand for. Look to the North at certain countries who are having population problems, we are a large land mass, virtually unpopulated. We are unique in the fact we are caucasian, european decent, christians living amongst asian countries of many different beliefs and cultures some in stark contrast to our own. We also have the largest muslim country in the world as one of closest neighbours, something to ponder about, I reckon. Australia has a "defence force," there have been very few times where we have actually launched an attack against another nation on their soil, I cannot think of one off the top of my head, you could possibly argue Vietnam, I suppose. The intelligance at that time was certain that Iraq had WMD, by the way, they have found barrels of Blister Gas over there and that is classed as a WMD. You tend to forget that the Iraqis rose up against Saddam in the first Gulf war, they obviously wanted to get rid of him. They were however let down by the USA and the rebellion was quelled.
Lets go through the list:

1. North Korea- Definately will get dealt with, they are believed to be in possession of dirty bombs. When Bush is re-elected, they'll get dealt with.

2. Saudi Arabia- Part of the Arab League, very powerful. I believe Iran and some other Arab countries will be dealt with first but they'll get around to it. This s**t doesn't happen overnight.

3. Zimbabwe- Not that long ago, they were talking about sending in Aussie Troops with the UN. Since then I believe that things have improved.

4. Uganda- Remember Amin? Well I am not briefed on the Uganda situation at the moment however I will endeavoud to find out and get back to you.


As you know I am leaving the ADF and no I will not be opening a florist, my appologies to your father, I know he was looking for an assistant.

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

You've been listening to Alf off home and away too much. Ave a listen to yourself ya F**K** mug :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least Alf from home and away went to Vietnam, what the f**k did you do when the war was on? I suppose your F**K** commune down in Griffith needed your "agrigultral" expertise to support the fantastic idea of your left wing communist revolution once the Tet offensive kicked in.

What the f**k has Vietnam got to do with this?

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

stay put thanks mate, we've got enough redneck over here.

Pity about the eductation system though, redneck is plural so that is rednecks. That's ok, you most likely went to school when Labour was in power so I will forgive you. At least LetsGetReal would like to come here and earn a living, all you do is b**** and whinge and collect a dole check.

Thanks for your, as usual, useless input. Redneck is actually a collective noun referring to the subcululture......you F**K** idiot. Since you brought it up: Labour is work; Labor is a political party.

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

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jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

We have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries. We should have a major overhaul review on our foreign aid policy, I am not against foreign aid but I think a lot of countries are getting it that do not deserve it. Like I said, we have problems here that need attention, the health care system, the eductation system, drug use amongst youth etc. I don't sprout off at the mouth mate, you verbally launched into me, I stand up for myself, I do not think that that is a crime, it is a quality I admire and I admire you for taking the time to respond to this post even if I don't agree with all your ideas. After all, isn't that the beauty of living in a democratic society? I always thought so. I am not a wannabe? Tell me what you think I wannabe? In 1999, when Australia sent troops over to Interfet who also took body bags over with them, no one knew what the outcome was going to be. The thing that saved us was Gen Cosgrove and his diplomatic skills. We need to spend more money on defence, there are too many threats to the north. We are freaks, we are a caucasian, english speaking society in the middle of a predominately asian, volitile region. We have the largest muslim nation in the world to our north, we have 2 countries with a population in excess of a billion people and no offence to our allies NZ but their downgrading of the NZDF is about as useful to us as a **** flavoured lolly pop, I don't know maybe you'd enjoy one of those. If I was minister of defence, I would bring the airborne battalion, 3 RAR up from Sydney to Townsville (which is happening anyway under a liberal government) increasing the number of infantry battalions in Townsville from 2 to 3, I would also raise the support and supply units needed to have 3 Battalion groups ready to go. I would de link 5 and 7 RAR in Darwin, increasing the Inf Bn's in Darwin from 1 to 2. I would also raise another infantry Battalion in Sydney (maybe another commando battalion) to replace 3 RAR. I would base the Abrahams that we aqquired off USA in Darwin but I would keep a few at Puckapungal for training our troops. I would also aqquire a regiment of smaller, more agile, good milage to fuel ratio tanks for recon, search and destroy and anti personal missions. I would get a good replacement for the F111's with a strike capibility to anywhere in SE Asia and I would upgrade the FA18's. On the navel front, I would divide the indian and pacific oceans into the Western and Eastern fleets based on a carrier group with each of the two fleets having an aircraft carrier, frigates, destroyers, helicopter capibilities and fix up those damn submarines. So we definately need more money for that. Other wise maybe if you start practicing now, you can get a job as a linguist when we get invaded. I don't believe in giving foreign aid to a tyrant, a dictator like Saddam, I doubt the money would have gone to his people anyway, he had 80 palaces in Baghdad alone that were so extravagant it made me angry. He would hire workers from Jordan to build them and hide them behind huge walls because he was worried if the hungry, poor Iraqis saw them, they would revolt. What the hell do you expect the soldiers to do? Why they are getting shot at and killed by these fundalmentalists, former regime loyalists and insurgents, they need all the guns, ammo and support they can get their hands on. I don't think you can grasp the concept of a gurellia war, it is not what it is like on television, it is F**K** scary. Nothing hits home like an 8 year old with a gun. I am glad that you agree something had to happen in Iraq because it did. What was the alternative though? They tried talking, they tried Sanctions, none of which worked and just punished the Iraqi people more. I appreciate your right not to participate but I do think it is right for you to criticise the man on the ground. Yes, I signed up to do my duty, I followed orders and gave them according to commanders intent. Do you expect me to throw my rifle on the ground and say, "Go f**k yourself?" That is discention, disobeying a lawful command and about 6 other broken military laws, I would be going to jail for a long, long time. f**k that. There would be certain things I would refuse to do however I know that I would not be asked to do them. The Americans are trying to get more europeans into the Coalition in Iraq but the majority of the pu**y EU are tucking tail. Look at France, those ***** have a lot to answer for, most of the ordnance and a lot of the wpns I saw over there were French. You watch when this is all cleared up, contractors from France, Germany etc will try to make trade deals with Iraq, Bow Wow, not going to happen, USA, Britian, Poland, Australia etc will all benefit from helping out Iraq because Iraqis will not forget. As a citizen, yes you do have a right to question the military but you are bloody lucky, you could be an American Citizen. A lot of them love the second ammendment because it gives them the right to bear arms "against the tyranny of the state". US marines have fired on US citizens, some unarmed before. I doubt this will ever happen in Australian history because I believe the vast majority of Aussie soldiers would refuse to. Maybe you should be asking the hieracry and the goverment questions instead of the man on the ground trying to achieve the objective. I am so proud of John Howard saying, "Blame me but not the troops that are being sent there" when Iraq flared up. I respect him for that. Its not nice having people put horse s**t on the road where your trying to march, people throw fruit at you or call you rude names in front of your mother and father and then you get in the s**t for reacting which is why you don't. Your comparision with Nazi Germany and Iraq is ridiculous, I am not even going to comment on that.

One minute we’re livin in Alice’s F**K** wonderland the next, “we have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries”…which is it going to be mate? Your sudden concern in social policy is a little out of character.

War is not an inevitable feature of global politics; its frequency can be reduced by eradicating international anarchy. Your war games gave me a laugh, I’m just a little unsure; exactly what invasion by which army are you planning for?

You continue to miss the whole point about Iraq, as do most that are supportive of it. You seem to be building a case for a war after the fact. The continual little anecdotes you bring up, whilst insightful, are in and of themselves no justification for war. You can’t just start bombing another country because you don’t like who’s running the show. Where’s all your posts about Zimbabwe, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, all of which have regimes in place, guilty of crimes against humanity of the same magnitude as the Baathist regime, if not worse.

The ONE and ONLY reason given for the invasion of Iraq, was to recover and presumably destroy significant stockpiles of WMD’s. Does it bother you that your government lied to you? I would imagine the near 10 000 Iraqi civilians killed to date would be pretty pissed off their lives was ended in the name of lies!

I didn’t compare Iraq to Nazi Germany, so stop speaking s**t. I don’t want you to “throw your gun to the ground”. Maybe the point is to not be in the position of holding the gun in the first place? You chose to be an AJ, if you don’t like it….go open a florist!

Ok mate, maybe the air conditioner at Woodridge needs fixing because your all hot and bothered under the collar. Don't you have some home and away to watch, I wasn't surprised you are an avid viewer, it is about the right sort of programming for you IQ. I think we have a lot of things that need fixing here (Australia), I do however believe that we are the luckiest and greatest country on Earth. I am so sorry that I strive to make my country better for my fellow Australians, maybe it is time you took a one way ticket to Cuba where you ideals would probably be favoured by your uncle Castro. Maybe you should read some of my other posts before you gob off about "my sudden concern in social policy is out of character." Social policy yes, socialist policy, no! I think we need to build up patriotism in this country and make people proud to become Australian again. I believe their are people in our country out there who do not like us, our way of life or what we, and I am talking about the vast majority here, just look at the election results :P stand for. Look to the North at certain countries who are having population problems, we are a large land mass, virtually unpopulated. We are unique in the fact we are caucasian, european decent, christians living amongst asian countries of many different beliefs and cultures some in stark contrast to our own. We also have the largest muslim country in the world as one of closest neighbours, something to ponder about, I reckon. Australia has a "defence force," there have been very few times where we have actually launched an attack against another nation on their soil, I cannot think of one off the top of my head, you could possibly argue Vietnam, I suppose. The intelligance at that time was certain that Iraq had WMD, by the way, they have found barrels of Blister Gas over there and that is classed as a WMD. You tend to forget that the Iraqis rose up against Saddam in the first Gulf war, they obviously wanted to get rid of him. They were however let down by the USA and the rebellion was quelled.
Lets go through the list:

1. North Korea- Definately will get dealt with, they are believed to be in possession of dirty bombs. When Bush is re-elected, they'll get dealt with.

2. Saudi Arabia- Part of the Arab League, very powerful. I believe Iran and some other Arab countries will be dealt with first but they'll get around to it. This s**t doesn't happen overnight.

3. Zimbabwe- Not that long ago, they were talking about sending in Aussie Troops with the UN. Since then I believe that things have improved.

4. Uganda- Remember Amin? Well I am not briefed on the Uganda situation at the moment however I will endeavoud to find out and get back to you.


As you know I am leaving the ADF and no I will not be opening a florist, my appologies to your father, I know he was looking for an assistant.

Woodridge....yep i live there. Have a look at yourself, the fact that you judge people due to their perceived socio-economic status says a lot about you.

You have no consistent standpoint on any argument. I'm glad we now both agree that our continent is "virtually unpopulated", and as such look forward to your answer as to why you support such draconian immigration policies? Surely we could do with all the people we can get?

"We also have the largest Muslim nation in the world as one of our closest neighbours" you keep saying this. What am I meant to draw from that? Propaganda.

The intelligence at the time was NOT CERTAIN. They haven't found barrels of blister gas, they have found mortars armed with blister gas. 36 to be exact. As for something being classed as a WMD. You claim to be a soldier :? ...WMD is not a classification of ordnance, it is a term used mainly by the media. Most bombs, missiles, all that sota s**t, by their nature, tend to cause a bit of mass destruction :lol: :lol: :lol: classified as a WMD :lol: :lol: :lol:

North K - While you've been f***ing around with the Iraqis NK has been baking a few of the big ones.....never mind the dirty bombs.

Saudi Arabia - OIL

As for the other two...do a bit more reading.

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

You've been listening to Alf off home and away too much. Ave a listen to yourself ya F**K** mug :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least Alf from home and away went to Vietnam, what the f**k did you do when the war was on? I suppose your F**K** commune down in Griffith needed your "agrigultral" expertise to support the fantastic idea of your left wing communist revolution once the Tet offensive kicked in.

What the f**k has Vietnam got to do with this?

You remind me of Forrest Gump, "Its like a whole nother country!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

stay put thanks mate, we've got enough redneck over here.

Pity about the eductation system though, redneck is plural so that is rednecks. That's ok, you most likely went to school when Labour was in power so I will forgive you. At least LetsGetReal would like to come here and earn a living, all you do is b**** and whinge and collect a dole check.

Thanks for your, as usual, useless input. Redneck is actually a collective noun referring to the subcululture......you F**K** idiot. Since you brought it up: Labour is work; Labor is a political party.

Mate, I think you should get the toilet rolls changed around your neck, they're clogging up with the s**t coming out of your mouth. We should open a F**K** manure farm and make a profit out of this freak of nature.

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

We have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries. We should have a major overhaul review on our foreign aid policy, I am not against foreign aid but I think a lot of countries are getting it that do not deserve it. Like I said, we have problems here that need attention, the health care system, the eductation system, drug use amongst youth etc. I don't sprout off at the mouth mate, you verbally launched into me, I stand up for myself, I do not think that that is a crime, it is a quality I admire and I admire you for taking the time to respond to this post even if I don't agree with all your ideas. After all, isn't that the beauty of living in a democratic society? I always thought so. I am not a wannabe? Tell me what you think I wannabe? In 1999, when Australia sent troops over to Interfet who also took body bags over with them, no one knew what the outcome was going to be. The thing that saved us was Gen Cosgrove and his diplomatic skills. We need to spend more money on defence, there are too many threats to the north. We are freaks, we are a caucasian, english speaking society in the middle of a predominately asian, volitile region. We have the largest muslim nation in the world to our north, we have 2 countries with a population in excess of a billion people and no offence to our allies NZ but their downgrading of the NZDF is about as useful to us as a **** flavoured lolly pop, I don't know maybe you'd enjoy one of those. If I was minister of defence, I would bring the airborne battalion, 3 RAR up from Sydney to Townsville (which is happening anyway under a liberal government) increasing the number of infantry battalions in Townsville from 2 to 3, I would also raise the support and supply units needed to have 3 Battalion groups ready to go. I would de link 5 and 7 RAR in Darwin, increasing the Inf Bn's in Darwin from 1 to 2. I would also raise another infantry Battalion in Sydney (maybe another commando battalion) to replace 3 RAR. I would base the Abrahams that we aqquired off USA in Darwin but I would keep a few at Puckapungal for training our troops. I would also aqquire a regiment of smaller, more agile, good milage to fuel ratio tanks for recon, search and destroy and anti personal missions. I would get a good replacement for the F111's with a strike capibility to anywhere in SE Asia and I would upgrade the FA18's. On the navel front, I would divide the indian and pacific oceans into the Western and Eastern fleets based on a carrier group with each of the two fleets having an aircraft carrier, frigates, destroyers, helicopter capibilities and fix up those damn submarines. So we definately need more money for that. Other wise maybe if you start practicing now, you can get a job as a linguist when we get invaded. I don't believe in giving foreign aid to a tyrant, a dictator like Saddam, I doubt the money would have gone to his people anyway, he had 80 palaces in Baghdad alone that were so extravagant it made me angry. He would hire workers from Jordan to build them and hide them behind huge walls because he was worried if the hungry, poor Iraqis saw them, they would revolt. What the hell do you expect the soldiers to do? Why they are getting shot at and killed by these fundalmentalists, former regime loyalists and insurgents, they need all the guns, ammo and support they can get their hands on. I don't think you can grasp the concept of a gurellia war, it is not what it is like on television, it is F**K** scary. Nothing hits home like an 8 year old with a gun. I am glad that you agree something had to happen in Iraq because it did. What was the alternative though? They tried talking, they tried Sanctions, none of which worked and just punished the Iraqi people more. I appreciate your right not to participate but I do think it is right for you to criticise the man on the ground. Yes, I signed up to do my duty, I followed orders and gave them according to commanders intent. Do you expect me to throw my rifle on the ground and say, "Go f**k yourself?" That is discention, disobeying a lawful command and about 6 other broken military laws, I would be going to jail for a long, long time. f**k that. There would be certain things I would refuse to do however I know that I would not be asked to do them. The Americans are trying to get more europeans into the Coalition in Iraq but the majority of the pu**y EU are tucking tail. Look at France, those ***** have a lot to answer for, most of the ordnance and a lot of the wpns I saw over there were French. You watch when this is all cleared up, contractors from France, Germany etc will try to make trade deals with Iraq, Bow Wow, not going to happen, USA, Britian, Poland, Australia etc will all benefit from helping out Iraq because Iraqis will not forget. As a citizen, yes you do have a right to question the military but you are bloody lucky, you could be an American Citizen. A lot of them love the second ammendment because it gives them the right to bear arms "against the tyranny of the state". US marines have fired on US citizens, some unarmed before. I doubt this will ever happen in Australian history because I believe the vast majority of Aussie soldiers would refuse to. Maybe you should be asking the hieracry and the goverment questions instead of the man on the ground trying to achieve the objective. I am so proud of John Howard saying, "Blame me but not the troops that are being sent there" when Iraq flared up. I respect him for that. Its not nice having people put horse s**t on the road where your trying to march, people throw fruit at you or call you rude names in front of your mother and father and then you get in the s**t for reacting which is why you don't. Your comparision with Nazi Germany and Iraq is ridiculous, I am not even going to comment on that.

One minute we’re livin in Alice’s F**K** wonderland the next, “we have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries”…which is it going to be mate? Your sudden concern in social policy is a little out of character.

War is not an inevitable feature of global politics; its frequency can be reduced by eradicating international anarchy. Your war games gave me a laugh, I’m just a little unsure; exactly what invasion by which army are you planning for?

You continue to miss the whole point about Iraq, as do most that are supportive of it. You seem to be building a case for a war after the fact. The continual little anecdotes you bring up, whilst insightful, are in and of themselves no justification for war. You can’t just start bombing another country because you don’t like who’s running the show. Where’s all your posts about Zimbabwe, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, all of which have regimes in place, guilty of crimes against humanity of the same magnitude as the Baathist regime, if not worse.

The ONE and ONLY reason given for the invasion of Iraq, was to recover and presumably destroy significant stockpiles of WMD’s. Does it bother you that your government lied to you? I would imagine the near 10 000 Iraqi civilians killed to date would be pretty pissed off their lives was ended in the name of lies!

I didn’t compare Iraq to Nazi Germany, so stop speaking s**t. I don’t want you to “throw your gun to the ground”. Maybe the point is to not be in the position of holding the gun in the first place? You chose to be an AJ, if you don’t like it….go open a florist!

Ok mate, maybe the air conditioner at Woodridge needs fixing because your all hot and bothered under the collar. Don't you have some home and away to watch, I wasn't surprised you are an avid viewer, it is about the right sort of programming for you IQ. I think we have a lot of things that need fixing here (Australia), I do however believe that we are the luckiest and greatest country on Earth. I am so sorry that I strive to make my country better for my fellow Australians, maybe it is time you took a one way ticket to Cuba where you ideals would probably be favoured by your uncle Castro. Maybe you should read some of my other posts before you gob off about "my sudden concern in social policy is out of character." Social policy yes, socialist policy, no! I think we need to build up patriotism in this country and make people proud to become Australian again. I believe their are people in our country out there who do not like us, our way of life or what we, and I am talking about the vast majority here, just look at the election results :P stand for. Look to the North at certain countries who are having population problems, we are a large land mass, virtually unpopulated. We are unique in the fact we are caucasian, european decent, christians living amongst asian countries of many different beliefs and cultures some in stark contrast to our own. We also have the largest muslim country in the world as one of closest neighbours, something to ponder about, I reckon. Australia has a "defence force," there have been very few times where we have actually launched an attack against another nation on their soil, I cannot think of one off the top of my head, you could possibly argue Vietnam, I suppose. The intelligance at that time was certain that Iraq had WMD, by the way, they have found barrels of Blister Gas over there and that is classed as a WMD. You tend to forget that the Iraqis rose up against Saddam in the first Gulf war, they obviously wanted to get rid of him. They were however let down by the USA and the rebellion was quelled.
Lets go through the list:

1. North Korea- Definately will get dealt with, they are believed to be in possession of dirty bombs. When Bush is re-elected, they'll get dealt with.

2. Saudi Arabia- Part of the Arab League, very powerful. I believe Iran and some other Arab countries will be dealt with first but they'll get around to it. This s**t doesn't happen overnight.

3. Zimbabwe- Not that long ago, they were talking about sending in Aussie Troops with the UN. Since then I believe that things have improved.

4. Uganda- Remember Amin? Well I am not briefed on the Uganda situation at the moment however I will endeavoud to find out and get back to you.


As you know I am leaving the ADF and no I will not be opening a florist, my appologies to your father, I know he was looking for an assistant.

Woodridge....yep i live there. Have a look at yourself, the fact that you judge people due to their perceived socio-economic status says a lot about you.

You have no consistent standpoint on any argument. I'm glad we now both agree that our continent is "virtually unpopulated", and as such look forward to your answer as to why you support such draconian immigration policies? Surely we could do with all the people we can get?

"We also have the largest Muslim nation in the world as one of our closest neighbours" you keep saying this. What am I meant to draw from that? Propaganda.

The intelligence at the time was NOT CERTAIN. They haven't found barrels of blister gas, they have found mortars armed with blister gas. 36 to be exact. As for something being classed as a WMD. You claim to be a soldier :? ...WMD is not a classification of ordnance, it is a term used mainly by the media. Most bombs, missiles, all that sota s**t, by their nature, tend to cause a bit of mass destruction :lol: :lol: :lol: classified as a WMD :lol: :lol: :lol:

North K - While you've been f***ing around with the Iraqis NK has been baking a few of the big ones.....never mind the dirty bombs.

Saudi Arabia - OIL

As for the other two...do a bit more reading.


Thats alright mate, I lived in Woodridge to once. However I evolved,
I must admit you are not a complete nitwit, maybe if you put your efforts into it and use your brain you can be in Creastmead by Christmas. Thats kind of catchy, you could put that on your christmas album and release a video, if you took your false teeth out while you sung it, I might even buy a copy for a laugh. I have also put together a compilation of songs for your dero christmas album, in no particular order. Merry F**K** christmas mate, can't say I am not a nice bloke.

1. Creastmead by Christmas
2. Ho Ho Ho, where'd all the F**K** jobs go?
3. Jingle Bells, Look at Lathams Back Bench
4. Deck the halls with lots of Mull
5. Hark all ye commies
6. Breakfast at Castro's
7. On the first day of Christmas, I got a sigma
8. Wendesday nights, a great night for dole checks.

Talk to Logan Diggers, they may give you a gig.
Back to the serious issues at hand. I think that we need to boost our population by breeding amongst ourselves, we need to cement our land as Australia, we need people to say "I am Australian". For example, you ask Americans, which I have plenty of mates of, especially in the military over there and they say, "I am African American, I am Italian American etc". Don't want that s**t to happen here, it creates segregation which can lead to gang warfare and violence on the streets. I had a mate of mine say he was "Armenian Australian", he and his parents were born here, his grandparents were born in Armenia. I said, "Hypothetically if Australia and Armenia went to war, who would you fight for?" He answered, "Armenia because they are weaker." Pack your bags champ, next stop, Armenia. You know my policies on Immigration, we have discussed them in depth. We only have 20 million people, I'd like to see that figure doubled within the next ten years by offering incentives to Established Australian Families to have children. Thought I would bold that for you because I know where you are going to head with that. Chess wasn't a waste of time at the academy after all.

We do have the largest muslim country in the world as a close neighbour,
do the following words mean anything to you? AechEast TimorIrian JaraBali BombingJarkata Bombing. No matter the size or the organisational size of the enemy force, we must be adequately prepared to seek out and close with the enemy and defeat him CONVINCINGLY. I am not an expert on ordnance, maybe IED's, booby traps and things like that I know a fair bit about but my primary trade is as an infantry soldier. Blister Gas is against the Geneva Convention. It is an illegal substance, it can be used in conjunction with WMD. What do you mean while I have been f***ing around in Iraq? I went there to do a job and I did it well. If I am chosen to goto Korea (highly unlikely as the discharge is in and processed) I will go and I got a missus and a kid but sometimes the big picture is important to. Australia was in Korea before, I had relies go over. Do the following words mean anything to you? Maryanne San/Kapyong/38th Parrellell? We'll kick the s**t out of them, nukes aren't much use against an invading force that forces you to use them on your own soil in the close proximity of your own people. No, not a good idea. Try to outfox me on that one, you can even use the Chinese but I know the Russians wouldn't be in on it. The only thing the Yanks are waiting on is the Patriot MDS to be fully effecient. Look that one up. The yanks will have enough oil from Iraq. As for the other two, big deal they're in Africa, the EU should step in there and sort it out, they don't do much F**K** else. Perhaps now that Turkey has been invited in, they may turn their attention to Africa to. (seeing as Turkey is not a part of Europe)

BOYASHAKA!

[maxtsu]

Golddave wrote: maxtsu wrote: LOL
it's the truth
I have lived and work in all states except Tassy, not putting them down mind you.
And the nearest I have ever heard someone speak like that is in Comedy Clubs in London.

I am not a pom mate, I am an Australian. You can't even write english properly let alone spell it, your probably one of those four frenchies I kicked the s**t out of at Hervey Bay.
LOL Read again. I never called you English.
I said "the nearest I have ever heard someone speak like that is in Comedy Clubs in London"
Which means Australian comedians that come to Europe and put an exaggerated accent on. You know the one, to pretend they are from Wup-Wup.
Your aggressive "kicking" statement is not a typical Australian response. The majority of Australians are very friendly people.
Also wrt "kicking".
Love to see you try it.

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

Bloody Oath mate, Mikasa Suikasa or however the f**k it goes. Your welcome anytime.

I will have to warn out the missus but, she will be the main drama, lol.
:lol:

You've been listening to Alf off home and away too much. Ave a listen to yourself ya F**K** mug :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least Alf from home and away went to Vietnam, what the f**k did you do when the war was on? I suppose your F**K** commune down in Griffith needed your "agrigultral" expertise to support the fantastic idea of your left wing communist revolution once the Tet offensive kicked in.

What the f**k has Vietnam got to do with this?

You remind me of Forrest Gump, "Its like a whole nother country!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You've totally lost the plot dude! Must have taken a few blows the the ol' brain box in nam..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

stay put thanks mate, we've got enough redneck over here.

Pity about the eductation system though, redneck is plural so that is rednecks. That's ok, you most likely went to school when Labour was in power so I will forgive you. At least LetsGetReal would like to come here and earn a living, all you do is b**** and whinge and collect a dole check.

Thanks for your, as usual, useless input. Redneck is actually a collective noun referring to the subcululture......you F**K** idiot. Since you brought it up: Labour is work; Labor is a political party.

Mate, I think you should get the toilet rolls changed around your neck, they're clogging up with the s**t coming out of your mouth. We should open a F**K** manure farm and make a profit out of this freak of nature.

Is that the best you've got? You really are a wastet of space dave...go neck up you fcukin parrot!

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

We have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries. We should have a major overhaul review on our foreign aid policy, I am not against foreign aid but I think a lot of countries are getting it that do not deserve it. Like I said, we have problems here that need attention, the health care system, the eductation system, drug use amongst youth etc. I don't sprout off at the mouth mate, you verbally launched into me, I stand up for myself, I do not think that that is a crime, it is a quality I admire and I admire you for taking the time to respond to this post even if I don't agree with all your ideas. After all, isn't that the beauty of living in a democratic society? I always thought so. I am not a wannabe? Tell me what you think I wannabe? In 1999, when Australia sent troops over to Interfet who also took body bags over with them, no one knew what the outcome was going to be. The thing that saved us was Gen Cosgrove and his diplomatic skills. We need to spend more money on defence, there are too many threats to the north. We are freaks, we are a caucasian, english speaking society in the middle of a predominately asian, volitile region. We have the largest muslim nation in the world to our north, we have 2 countries with a population in excess of a billion people and no offence to our allies NZ but their downgrading of the NZDF is about as useful to us as a **** flavoured lolly pop, I don't know maybe you'd enjoy one of those. If I was minister of defence, I would bring the airborne battalion, 3 RAR up from Sydney to Townsville (which is happening anyway under a liberal government) increasing the number of infantry battalions in Townsville from 2 to 3, I would also raise the support and supply units needed to have 3 Battalion groups ready to go. I would de link 5 and 7 RAR in Darwin, increasing the Inf Bn's in Darwin from 1 to 2. I would also raise another infantry Battalion in Sydney (maybe another commando battalion) to replace 3 RAR. I would base the Abrahams that we aqquired off USA in Darwin but I would keep a few at Puckapungal for training our troops. I would also aqquire a regiment of smaller, more agile, good milage to fuel ratio tanks for recon, search and destroy and anti personal missions. I would get a good replacement for the F111's with a strike capibility to anywhere in SE Asia and I would upgrade the FA18's. On the navel front, I would divide the indian and pacific oceans into the Western and Eastern fleets based on a carrier group with each of the two fleets having an aircraft carrier, frigates, destroyers, helicopter capibilities and fix up those damn submarines. So we definately need more money for that. Other wise maybe if you start practicing now, you can get a job as a linguist when we get invaded. I don't believe in giving foreign aid to a tyrant, a dictator like Saddam, I doubt the money would have gone to his people anyway, he had 80 palaces in Baghdad alone that were so extravagant it made me angry. He would hire workers from Jordan to build them and hide them behind huge walls because he was worried if the hungry, poor Iraqis saw them, they would revolt. What the hell do you expect the soldiers to do? Why they are getting shot at and killed by these fundalmentalists, former regime loyalists and insurgents, they need all the guns, ammo and support they can get their hands on. I don't think you can grasp the concept of a gurellia war, it is not what it is like on television, it is F**K** scary. Nothing hits home like an 8 year old with a gun. I am glad that you agree something had to happen in Iraq because it did. What was the alternative though? They tried talking, they tried Sanctions, none of which worked and just punished the Iraqi people more. I appreciate your right not to participate but I do think it is right for you to criticise the man on the ground. Yes, I signed up to do my duty, I followed orders and gave them according to commanders intent. Do you expect me to throw my rifle on the ground and say, "Go f**k yourself?" That is discention, disobeying a lawful command and about 6 other broken military laws, I would be going to jail for a long, long time. f**k that. There would be certain things I would refuse to do however I know that I would not be asked to do them. The Americans are trying to get more europeans into the Coalition in Iraq but the majority of the pu**y EU are tucking tail. Look at France, those ***** have a lot to answer for, most of the ordnance and a lot of the wpns I saw over there were French. You watch when this is all cleared up, contractors from France, Germany etc will try to make trade deals with Iraq, Bow Wow, not going to happen, USA, Britian, Poland, Australia etc will all benefit from helping out Iraq because Iraqis will not forget. As a citizen, yes you do have a right to question the military but you are bloody lucky, you could be an American Citizen. A lot of them love the second ammendment because it gives them the right to bear arms "against the tyranny of the state". US marines have fired on US citizens, some unarmed before. I doubt this will ever happen in Australian history because I believe the vast majority of Aussie soldiers would refuse to. Maybe you should be asking the hieracry and the goverment questions instead of the man on the ground trying to achieve the objective. I am so proud of John Howard saying, "Blame me but not the troops that are being sent there" when Iraq flared up. I respect him for that. Its not nice having people put horse s**t on the road where your trying to march, people throw fruit at you or call you rude names in front of your mother and father and then you get in the s**t for reacting which is why you don't. Your comparision with Nazi Germany and Iraq is ridiculous, I am not even going to comment on that.

One minute we’re livin in Alice’s F**K** wonderland the next, “we have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries”…which is it going to be mate? Your sudden concern in social policy is a little out of character.

War is not an inevitable feature of global politics; its frequency can be reduced by eradicating international anarchy. Your war games gave me a laugh, I’m just a little unsure; exactly what invasion by which army are you planning for?

You continue to miss the whole point about Iraq, as do most that are supportive of it. You seem to be building a case for a war after the fact. The continual little anecdotes you bring up, whilst insightful, are in and of themselves no justification for war. You can’t just start bombing another country because you don’t like who’s running the show. Where’s all your posts about Zimbabwe, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, all of which have regimes in place, guilty of crimes against humanity of the same magnitude as the Baathist regime, if not worse.

The ONE and ONLY reason given for the invasion of Iraq, was to recover and presumably destroy significant stockpiles of WMD’s. Does it bother you that your government lied to you? I would imagine the near 10 000 Iraqi civilians killed to date would be pretty pissed off their lives was ended in the name of lies!

I didn’t compare Iraq to Nazi Germany, so stop speaking s**t. I don’t want you to “throw your gun to the ground”. Maybe the point is to not be in the position of holding the gun in the first place? You chose to be an AJ, if you don’t like it….go open a florist!

Ok mate, maybe the air conditioner at Woodridge needs fixing because your all hot and bothered under the collar. Don't you have some home and away to watch, I wasn't surprised you are an avid viewer, it is about the right sort of programming for you IQ. I think we have a lot of things that need fixing here (Australia), I do however believe that we are the luckiest and greatest country on Earth. I am so sorry that I strive to make my country better for my fellow Australians, maybe it is time you took a one way ticket to Cuba where you ideals would probably be favoured by your uncle Castro. Maybe you should read some of my other posts before you gob off about "my sudden concern in social policy is out of character." Social policy yes, socialist policy, no! I think we need to build up patriotism in this country and make people proud to become Australian again. I believe their are people in our country out there who do not like us, our way of life or what we, and I am talking about the vast majority here, just look at the election results :P stand for. Look to the North at certain countries who are having population problems, we are a large land mass, virtually unpopulated. We are unique in the fact we are caucasian, european decent, christians living amongst asian countries of many different beliefs and cultures some in stark contrast to our own. We also have the largest muslim country in the world as one of closest neighbours, something to ponder about, I reckon. Australia has a "defence force," there have been very few times where we have actually launched an attack against another nation on their soil, I cannot think of one off the top of my head, you could possibly argue Vietnam, I suppose. The intelligance at that time was certain that Iraq had WMD, by the way, they have found barrels of Blister Gas over there and that is classed as a WMD. You tend to forget that the Iraqis rose up against Saddam in the first Gulf war, they obviously wanted to get rid of him. They were however let down by the USA and the rebellion was quelled.
Lets go through the list:

1. North Korea- Definately will get dealt with, they are believed to be in possession of dirty bombs. When Bush is re-elected, they'll get dealt with.

2. Saudi Arabia- Part of the Arab League, very powerful. I believe Iran and some other Arab countries will be dealt with first but they'll get around to it. This s**t doesn't happen overnight.

3. Zimbabwe- Not that long ago, they were talking about sending in Aussie Troops with the UN. Since then I believe that things have improved.

4. Uganda- Remember Amin? Well I am not briefed on the Uganda situation at the moment however I will endeavoud to find out and get back to you.


As you know I am leaving the ADF and no I will not be opening a florist, my appologies to your father, I know he was looking for an assistant.

Woodridge....yep i live there. Have a look at yourself, the fact that you judge people due to their perceived socio-economic status says a lot about you.

You have no consistent standpoint on any argument. I'm glad we now both agree that our continent is "virtually unpopulated", and as such look forward to your answer as to why you support such draconian immigration policies? Surely we could do with all the people we can get?

"We also have the largest Muslim nation in the world as one of our closest neighbours" you keep saying this. What am I meant to draw from that? Propaganda.

The intelligence at the time was NOT CERTAIN. They haven't found barrels of blister gas, they have found mortars armed with blister gas. 36 to be exact. As for something being classed as a WMD. You claim to be a soldier :? ...WMD is not a classification of ordnance, it is a term used mainly by the media. Most bombs, missiles, all that sota s**t, by their nature, tend to cause a bit of mass destruction :lol: :lol: :lol: classified as a WMD :lol: :lol: :lol:

North K - While you've been f***ing around with the Iraqis NK has been baking a few of the big ones.....never mind the dirty bombs.

Saudi Arabia - OIL

As for the other two...do a bit more reading.


Thats alright mate, I lived in Woodridge to once. However I evolved,
I must admit you are not a complete nitwit, maybe if you put your efforts into it and use your brain you can be in Creastmead by Christmas. Thats kind of catchy, you could put that on your christmas album and release a video, if you took your false teeth out while you sung it, I might even buy a copy for a laugh. I have also put together a compilation of songs for your dero christmas album, in no particular order. Merry F**K** christmas mate, can't say I am not a nice bloke.

1. Creastmead by Christmas
2. Ho Ho Ho, where'd all the F**K** jobs go?
3. Jingle Bells, Look at Lathams Back Bench
4. Deck the halls with lots of Mull
5. Hark all ye commies
6. Breakfast at Castro's
7. On the first day of Christmas, I got a sigma
8. Wendesday nights, a great night for dole checks.

Talk to Logan Diggers, they may give you a gig.
Back to the serious issues at hand. I think that we need to boost our population by breeding amongst ourselves, we need to cement our land as Australia, we need people to say "I am Australian". For example, you ask Americans, which I have plenty of mates of, especially in the military over there and they say, "I am African American, I am Italian American etc". Don't want that s**t to happen here, it creates segregation which can lead to gang warfare and violence on the streets. I had a mate of mine say he was "Armenian Australian", he and his parents were born here, his grandparents were born in Armenia. I said, "Hypothetically if Australia and Armenia went to war, who would you fight for?" He answered, "Armenia because they are weaker." Pack your bags champ, next stop, Armenia. You know my policies on Immigration, we have discussed them in depth. We only have 20 million people, I'd like to see that figure doubled within the next ten years by offering incentives to Established Australian Families to have children. Thought I would bold that for you because I know where you are going to head with that. Chess wasn't a waste of time at the academy after all.

We do have the largest muslim country in the world as a close neighbour,
do the following words mean anything to you? AechEast TimorIrian JaraBali BombingJarkata Bombing. No matter the size or the organisational size of the enemy force, we must be adequately prepared to seek out and close with the enemy and defeat him CONVINCINGLY. I am not an expert on ordnance, maybe IED's, booby traps and things like that I know a fair bit about but my primary trade is as an infantry soldier. Blister Gas is against the Geneva Convention. It is an illegal substance, it can be used in conjunction with WMD. What do you mean while I have been f***ing around in Iraq? I went there to do a job and I did it well. If I am chosen to goto Korea (highly unlikely as the discharge is in and processed) I will go and I got a missus and a kid but sometimes the big picture is important to. Australia was in Korea before, I had relies go over. Do the following words mean anything to you? Maryanne San/Kapyong/38th Parrellell? We'll kick the s**t out of them, nukes aren't much use against an invading force that forces you to use them on your own soil in the close proximity of your own people. No, not a good idea. Try to outfox me on that one, you can even use the Chinese but I know the Russians wouldn't be in on it. The only thing the Yanks are waiting on is the Patriot MDS to be fully effecient. Look that one up. The yanks will have enough oil from Iraq. As for the other two, big deal they're in Africa, the EU should step in there and sort it out, they don't do much F**K** else. Perhaps now that Turkey has been invited in, they may turn their attention to Africa to. (seeing as Turkey is not a part of Europe)

BOYASHAKA!

Having an intelectual argument with you is like wrestling a puff of somke...fcukin futile.

Your against segragation at a micro level (because you reckon it causes violence)...your solution, segregate at a macro level. You are aware that we don't live in a vacuum? Wouldn't that then be segragting us from 'non-Australians' (and by your theory causing violence)?

We are all Australian, regardless of our heritage. 200 years aint a very long time in the scheme of things mate, we are all immigrants. In my opinion one of our greatest strengths in oz is our ability to create a truly multicultural society that is welcoming of individuals cultures and ethnic identity. The white Autralia policy is long gone mate.

You are not an expert on ordnance? NO s**t! Do you know what a WMD is? Whatever the fcuk you want it to be. IT IS AN ACRONYM COINED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT, USED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT (AND MEDIA) SO THAT FCUKWITS LIKE YOU START TO GET SCARED EVERY TIME THEY HERE THOSE THREE LITTLE LETTERS. A grenade, that could be a WMD, a pistol in a crowded mall..that too could be a WMD, or for that matter a car driven thru a mall......causes a **** of mass destruction, its a WMD.

As you brought up the Geneva convention....how do you feel about Guantanamo? Inconistent mofo!

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I just got to say this I love Australia... there the only true ballsie country besides mine... England is kinda but they dont back Israel as much as I would like.. But let me tell you this if Kerry wins I'm coming over... GoldDaves gonna teach me the accent Haha

stay put thanks mate, we've got enough redneck over here.

Pity about the eductation system though, redneck is plural so that is rednecks. That's ok, you most likely went to school when Labour was in power so I will forgive you. At least LetsGetReal would like to come here and earn a living, all you do is b**** and whinge and collect a dole check.

Thanks for your, as usual, useless input. Redneck is actually a collective noun referring to the subcululture......you F**K** idiot. Since you brought it up: Labour is work; Labor is a political party.

Mate, I think you should get the toilet rolls changed around your neck, they're clogging up with the s**t coming out of your mouth. We should open a F**K** manure farm and make a profit out of this freak of nature.

Is that the best you've got? You really are a wastet of space dave...go neck up you fcukin parrot!

I wasn't in nam mate, I am only 23. I couldn't have even been a drummer boy because I wasn't even born.
The closest thing you ever got to nam was a contiki tour back in '93. As for you, I like your referances to "F**K** Parrot"
who are you? Keithy George out of Chopper or something, "I like the hair Keithy, no really it suits you!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Golddave]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Aussies, Take a bow, you voted Howard back in, well he smashed it back in and now we can rest easy for a few more years knowing our country is going to grow and we will maintain our way of life. I would like to thank all who voted for Howard and sent a clear message to those Labour idiots.
Good to see Commonsense prevail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jeez you speak s**t dave! obviously there were too many suckers out there like you, who fell for howard's scare campaign.....once again. This country is full of F**K** like you who have absolutely no interest in how the govenrment they elect will make decisions that impact a multitude of people, globally. Your only concern is how much money will I get, how safe will I be, what do I get out of it....ain't that right dave?

Start packing those bags champ....if W wins over there in a few weeks, your gonna have a few wars to be fightin!

That’s alright mate, I know you are upset because your housing commision in Woodridge just doesn’t cut it. Here’s an idea for you mate, get off your fat ass and do some work instead of collecting a dole check or stealing shopping trollies for scrap metal or whatever you do down at Station Road. I do have a very big interest in politics both locally and globally. Do you know how much foreign aid we give away? Too F**K** much, we give millions to China and they have a F**K** space program, what a load of s**t. My only concern is not how much money I will make, how safe I will be etc. I have done my duty mate, I have been deployed to East Timor and Iraq and the number one reason I did it was for the love of my country. I got into law when I left school at 17 and I could be working for my uncle’s firm, driving a BMW, f***ing blonde sluts. Up until a few months ago, only one of those things was a reality as my current girlfriend has black hair so its only half right. The number two reason I did it was family tradition and the number three reason I did it was East Timor looked like it was going to be the next Vietnam and my only other brother had a brain tumour and they wouldn’t accept him because they can’t guarantee that they can get the medication he depends onto live to the front line. So I signed up without a F**K** second thought and no, I do not regret it. I pissed all my money up and got ripped off 20 grand by my ex fiance but I have a chest full of gongs, ambition and life experience that no other 23 year old has so I know I am going to make something of myself when I get out in a little over a month and go down to Brissy to make it on Civvy Street and if I don’t make it, I can always sign up and join the infantry again. Its about time you started putting in CHAMP, do something for the nation, make a difference, instead of having a b**** and whinge and sledging on F**K** diggers serving in the finest traditions of our fore fathers.

As I said earlier...you speak a lot of it mate. I'm quite happy with my job in life thanks dave, you do seem a little hung up on woodridge though mate...I often find snappers like you that sprout off at the mouth every chance they get about where they live hat sorta car they have, all that s**t, are pinhead wannabes.

East Timor was going to be the next Vietnam...interesting?? Yes I do know how much foreign aid we give away, about 1.2% of GDP, not really that much is it? Go match this up with how much we spend on defence each year. Consider this, do you think the people of Iraq would today be in a better state if we had spent the money invested in invaded their nation on foreign aid to help the people? SADDAM SADDAM...yer yer i know. The point is we both agree Iraq was a problem with Saddam at the wheel. The governments of the world have put aside x amount of dollars to solve the problem and you think it would be best solved by using that money to pay for soldiers, bombs and bullets. Look where that is getting us? The yank are trying to find the quickest f***ing way out and Iraq is alot worse off now than it was 18 months ago. I'm not sledging veterans. It's their choice to be a soldier and i respect that...however, that doesn't negate me the right to question their actions? I am a citizen that employs them an pays them they are a member of the Australian Armed Services subservient to the Austsralian people. If you do something I don't agree with, I'm not just gonna smile and say ....oh well, good on you digger. I don't agree with the war in Iraq nor do I accept that the soldiers are just doing there jobs....so were the nazis.

Talk it up some more why don't ya.....

We have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries. We should have a major overhaul review on our foreign aid policy, I am not against foreign aid but I think a lot of countries are getting it that do not deserve it. Like I said, we have problems here that need attention, the health care system, the eductation system, drug use amongst youth etc. I don't sprout off at the mouth mate, you verbally launched into me, I stand up for myself, I do not think that that is a crime, it is a quality I admire and I admire you for taking the time to respond to this post even if I don't agree with all your ideas. After all, isn't that the beauty of living in a democratic society? I always thought so. I am not a wannabe? Tell me what you think I wannabe? In 1999, when Australia sent troops over to Interfet who also took body bags over with them, no one knew what the outcome was going to be. The thing that saved us was Gen Cosgrove and his diplomatic skills. We need to spend more money on defence, there are too many threats to the north. We are freaks, we are a caucasian, english speaking society in the middle of a predominately asian, volitile region. We have the largest muslim nation in the world to our north, we have 2 countries with a population in excess of a billion people and no offence to our allies NZ but their downgrading of the NZDF is about as useful to us as a **** flavoured lolly pop, I don't know maybe you'd enjoy one of those. If I was minister of defence, I would bring the airborne battalion, 3 RAR up from Sydney to Townsville (which is happening anyway under a liberal government) increasing the number of infantry battalions in Townsville from 2 to 3, I would also raise the support and supply units needed to have 3 Battalion groups ready to go. I would de link 5 and 7 RAR in Darwin, increasing the Inf Bn's in Darwin from 1 to 2. I would also raise another infantry Battalion in Sydney (maybe another commando battalion) to replace 3 RAR. I would base the Abrahams that we aqquired off USA in Darwin but I would keep a few at Puckapungal for training our troops. I would also aqquire a regiment of smaller, more agile, good milage to fuel ratio tanks for recon, search and destroy and anti personal missions. I would get a good replacement for the F111's with a strike capibility to anywhere in SE Asia and I would upgrade the FA18's. On the navel front, I would divide the indian and pacific oceans into the Western and Eastern fleets based on a carrier group with each of the two fleets having an aircraft carrier, frigates, destroyers, helicopter capibilities and fix up those damn submarines. So we definately need more money for that. Other wise maybe if you start practicing now, you can get a job as a linguist when we get invaded. I don't believe in giving foreign aid to a tyrant, a dictator like Saddam, I doubt the money would have gone to his people anyway, he had 80 palaces in Baghdad alone that were so extravagant it made me angry. He would hire workers from Jordan to build them and hide them behind huge walls because he was worried if the hungry, poor Iraqis saw them, they would revolt. What the hell do you expect the soldiers to do? Why they are getting shot at and killed by these fundalmentalists, former regime loyalists and insurgents, they need all the guns, ammo and support they can get their hands on. I don't think you can grasp the concept of a gurellia war, it is not what it is like on television, it is F**K** scary. Nothing hits home like an 8 year old with a gun. I am glad that you agree something had to happen in Iraq because it did. What was the alternative though? They tried talking, they tried Sanctions, none of which worked and just punished the Iraqi people more. I appreciate your right not to participate but I do think it is right for you to criticise the man on the ground. Yes, I signed up to do my duty, I followed orders and gave them according to commanders intent. Do you expect me to throw my rifle on the ground and say, "Go f**k yourself?" That is discention, disobeying a lawful command and about 6 other broken military laws, I would be going to jail for a long, long time. f**k that. There would be certain things I would refuse to do however I know that I would not be asked to do them. The Americans are trying to get more europeans into the Coalition in Iraq but the majority of the pu**y EU are tucking tail. Look at France, those ***** have a lot to answer for, most of the ordnance and a lot of the wpns I saw over there were French. You watch when this is all cleared up, contractors from France, Germany etc will try to make trade deals with Iraq, Bow Wow, not going to happen, USA, Britian, Poland, Australia etc will all benefit from helping out Iraq because Iraqis will not forget. As a citizen, yes you do have a right to question the military but you are bloody lucky, you could be an American Citizen. A lot of them love the second ammendment because it gives them the right to bear arms "against the tyranny of the state". US marines have fired on US citizens, some unarmed before. I doubt this will ever happen in Australian history because I believe the vast majority of Aussie soldiers would refuse to. Maybe you should be asking the hieracry and the goverment questions instead of the man on the ground trying to achieve the objective. I am so proud of John Howard saying, "Blame me but not the troops that are being sent there" when Iraq flared up. I respect him for that. Its not nice having people put horse s**t on the road where your trying to march, people throw fruit at you or call you rude names in front of your mother and father and then you get in the s**t for reacting which is why you don't. Your comparision with Nazi Germany and Iraq is ridiculous, I am not even going to comment on that.

One minute we’re livin in Alice’s F**K** wonderland the next, “we have too many problems here to fix up before we start helping other countries”…which is it going to be mate? Your sudden concern in social policy is a little out of character.

War is not an inevitable feature of global politics; its frequency can be reduced by eradicating international anarchy. Your war games gave me a laugh, I’m just a little unsure; exactly what invasion by which army are you planning for?

You continue to miss the whole point about Iraq, as do most that are supportive of it. You seem to be building a case for a war after the fact. The continual little anecdotes you bring up, whilst insightful, are in and of themselves no justification for war. You can’t just start bombing another country because you don’t like who’s running the show. Where’s all your posts about Zimbabwe, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, all of which have regimes in place, guilty of crimes against humanity of the same magnitude as the Baathist regime, if not worse.

The ONE and ONLY reason given for the invasion of Iraq, was to recover and presumably destroy significant stockpiles of WMD’s. Does it bother you that your government lied to you? I would imagine the near 10 000 Iraqi civilians killed to date would be pretty pissed off their lives was ended in the name of lies!

I didn’t compare Iraq to Nazi Germany, so stop speaking s**t. I don’t want you to “throw your gun to the ground”. Maybe the point is to not be in the position of holding the gun in the first place? You chose to be an AJ, if you don’t like it….go open a florist!

Ok mate, maybe the air conditioner at Woodridge needs fixing because your all hot and bothered under the collar. Don't you have some home and away to watch, I wasn't surprised you are an avid viewer, it is about the right sort of programming for you IQ. I think we have a lot of things that need fixing here (Australia), I do however believe that we are the luckiest and greatest country on Earth. I am so sorry that I strive to make my country better for my fellow Australians, maybe it is time you took a one way ticket to Cuba where you ideals would probably be favoured by your uncle Castro. Maybe you should read some of my other posts before you gob off about "my sudden concern in social policy is out of character." Social policy yes, socialist policy, no! I think we need to build up patriotism in this country and make people proud to become Australian again. I believe their are people in our country out there who do not like us, our way of life or what we, and I am talking about the vast majority here, just look at the election results :P stand for. Look to the North at certain countries who are having population problems, we are a large land mass, virtually unpopulated. We are unique in the fact we are caucasian, european decent, christians living amongst asian countries of many different beliefs and cultures some in stark contrast to our own. We also have the largest muslim country in the world as one of closest neighbours, something to ponder about, I reckon. Australia has a "defence force," there have been very few times where we have actually launched an attack against another nation on their soil, I cannot think of one off the top of my head, you could possibly argue Vietnam, I suppose. The intelligance at that time was certain that Iraq had WMD, by the way, they have found barrels of Blister Gas over there and that is classed as a WMD. You tend to forget that the Iraqis rose up against Saddam in the first Gulf war, they obviously wanted to get rid of him. They were however let down by the USA and the rebellion was quelled.
Lets go through the list:

1. North Korea- Definately will get dealt with, they are believed to be in possession of dirty bombs. When Bush is re-elected, they'll get dealt with.

2. Saudi Arabia- Part of the Arab League, very powerful. I believe Iran and some other Arab countries will be dealt with first but they'll get around to it. This s**t doesn't happen overnight.

3. Zimbabwe- Not that long ago, they were talking about sending in Aussie Troops with the UN. Since then I believe that things have improved.

4. Uganda- Remember Amin? Well I am not briefed on the Uganda situation at the moment however I will endeavoud to find out and get back to you.


As you know I am leaving the ADF and no I will not be opening a florist, my appologies to your father, I know he was looking for an assistant.

Woodridge....yep i live there. Have a look at yourself, the fact that you judge people due to their perceived socio-economic status says a lot about you.

You have no consistent standpoint on any argument. I'm glad we now both agree that our continent is "virtually unpopulated", and as such look forward to your answer as to why you support such draconian immigration policies? Surely we could do with all the people we can get?

"We also have the largest Muslim nation in the world as one of our closest neighbours" you keep saying this. What am I meant to draw from that? Propaganda.

The intelligence at the time was NOT CERTAIN. They haven't found barrels of blister gas, they have found mortars armed with blister gas. 36 to be exact. As for something being classed as a WMD. You claim to be a soldier :? ...WMD is not a classification of ordnance, it is a term used mainly by the media. Most bombs, missiles, all that sota s**t, by their nature, tend to cause a bit of mass destruction :lol: :lol: :lol: classified as a WMD :lol: :lol: :lol:

North K - While you've been f***ing around with the Iraqis NK has been baking a few of the big ones.....never mind the dirty bombs.

Saudi Arabia - OIL

As for the other two...do a bit more reading.


Thats alright mate, I lived in Woodridge to once. However I evolved,
I must admit you are not a complete nitwit, maybe if you put your efforts into it